[pLog-general] Your thoughts on 1.1
michael
jackass at bestweb.net
Tue Apr 12 22:07:34 GMT 2005
Jon,
Turns out the mysql server is lagging and they are going to resolve that
soon.
So, maybe slightly plog lag but mostly my database is slow.
Thanks again for doing some debugging.
michael
-----Original Message-----
From: plog-general-bounces at devel.plogworld.net
[mailto:plog-general-bounces at devel.plogworld.net] On Behalf Of Jon Daley
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 11:40 AM
To: plog-general at devel.plogworld.net
Subject: RE: [pLog-general] Your thoughts on 1.1
And, I also see your admin script takes a long time to load.
But,
I don't think it is plog's fault.
For the non-admin side, you have caching turned off:
Expires: Thu, 19 Nov 1981 08:52:00 GMT
You also have some broken links, which probably take some time for your
server to figure out that the images don't exist, and write to the
error log file:
http://vloggerblog.org/templates/vloggerblog/img/header_XXX.jpg
Network speed to your machine looks alright, so I suspect the machine is
overloaded.
On Mon, 11 Apr 2005, michael wrote:
> My front-end is still being built so there is not much to test... and
I
> noticed my custom urls are not working for archives and categories...
> but I believe I read there is a patch for that bug... need to fix it
> today.
>
> http://vloggerblog.org/index.php
>
> this site is hosted at ibiblio.org.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: plog-general-bounces at devel.plogworld.net
> [mailto:plog-general-bounces at devel.plogworld.net] On Behalf Of Jon
Daley
> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 11:18 AM
> To: plog-general at devel.plogworld.net
> Subject: RE: [pLog-general] Your thoughts on 1.1
>
> Well, you got me curious, I don't pay attention to the speed of
> admin pages, other than I use them, so if it was particularly slow, I
> thought I would have seen it.
> I think the non-admin side is more important for speed, since
> presumably, that is what gets used more. But, anyway, I clicked
through
>
> the admin page on my 400mhz 1.0.1 system. Here are my times:
>
> 2.5 seconds for login prompt
> 3 seconds after login
> 6 seconds for new post page.
> (the page comes up quicker than that, but it takes 2-3 seconds for
> all of the html area icons to load. I start typing before the
> page is fully loaded, or if I am not entering a new post,
typically,
> I click on a link before the icons have loaded)
>
> 5 seconds to show all posts.
> 2 seconds to show categories
> 2 seconds to show a paticular category.
> 3 seconds to show resource center
> (though I don't use resources, so it is empty)
> 3 seconds to show control center.
> 3 seconds to show "blog settings"
> 1 second to show administration.
> 3 seconds to show "blogs" under admin.
> 4 seconds to show "general settings".
>
>
> I assume this is vastly different from your system? What kind
> of
> machine/how loaded is it?
>
>
> On Mon, 11 Apr 2005, michael wrote:
>
>> Well, it takes 5-10 seconds to load admin pages.
>> And, the lag and large mem usage of plog 1.0 has already been
> discussed
>> so I don't think I have a unique situation.
>>
>> Its mostly admin area. I might try removing some plugins. If a
> plugin
>> is not enabled, does it still use system resources?
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: plog-general-bounces at devel.plogworld.net
>> [mailto:plog-general-bounces at devel.plogworld.net] On Behalf Of Jon
> Daley
>> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 10:33 AM
>> To: plog-general at devel.plogworld.net
>> Subject: RE: [pLog-general] Your thoughts on 1.1
>>
>> Do you have a side by side comparison of the two?
>> This is completely not what I have seen.
>>
>> Compare this server: http://snurgle.org/~jondaley/plog/ (plog 1.0.1
>> trunk,
>> a machine heavily loaded with 20 users actively logged in most of the
>> time, uptime generally reports 3 to 4) running over a 768kbps DSL
> line)
>>
>> to this machine: http://sca.salemsattic.com/ (plog 0.3.2, no idea
> about
>> the machine specs, network connection is much faster than 768kpbs)
>>
>> When I upgraded snurgle, the speed increased. I don't have numbers
to
>> support that, only a feeling. The machine has: 400Mhz intel
> processor,
>> 512MB RAM, 5 apache processes, taking 60MBs currently. With the 218
>> processes and 23 users currently using it, I would think if any
>> machine would be slow running plog, it would be this one.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 11 Apr 2005, michael wrote:
>>> Smarty Caching turned on.
>>> plog 1.0 is slower.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: plog-general-bounces at devel.plogworld.net
>>> [mailto:plog-general-bounces at devel.plogworld.net] On Behalf Of Jon
>> Daley
>>> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 10:23 AM
>>> To: plog-general at devel.plogworld.net
>>> Subject: RE: [pLog-general] Your thoughts on 1.1
>>>
>>> You mean if you have caching turned off it is slower? Certainly
>>>
>>> with caching 1.0 is significantly faster. Every time I look at a
>> 0.3.2
>>> blog I think, hmm.. why is this taking so long.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 11 Apr 2005, michael wrote:
>>>> Hi Oscar,
>>>> Thanks for the update. Sounds good.
>>>>
>>>> I did not want to blame plog for this right away.... but it does
> seem
>>>> that plog 1.0 is much slower. I was checking into other factors
>> since
>>> I
>>>> am on a new server, but I am certain now that the memory usage has
>>>> caused lag.
>>>> So, great to hear about new work being done to improve this.
>>>>
>>>> A quick feature request that may be small enough to be considered
> for
>>>> next release...
>>>>
>>>> - extend custom fields to optionally be added to resource items
(add
>>>> more metadata)
>>>>
>>>> michael
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: plog-general-bounces at devel.plogworld.net
>>>> [mailto:plog-general-bounces at devel.plogworld.net] On Behalf Of
Oscar
>>>> Renalias
>>>> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 6:50 AM
>>>> To: plog-general at devel.plogworld.net
>>>> Subject: [pLog-general] Your thoughts on 1.1
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> just wanted to know your opinion about 1.1.
>>>>
>>>> I was thinking that the development cycle for 1.0 was way too long
>> and
>>>> exhausting and that the amount of changes was too big (the amount
of
>>>> bugs has proven to be proportional to the amount of changes
>>>> introduced) That's probably one of the reasons why we have had so
>> many
>>>> support requests in the forums so my idea is to shorten the
>>>> development cycle, even if that means bothering users with upgrades
>> to
>>>> their installations every 2-3 months.
>>>>
>>>> Ben has already started to work on improving the performance in 1.1
>>>> and the results are more than promising even though work on that
>> front
>>>> will continue. Although I never thought that pLog is slow when
using
>>>> the right setup, any performance improvement is good :-) Believe
me,
>>>> these changes are so promising that they are enough to warrant a
new
>>>> release.
>>>>
>>>> Since users only care about new features, we can take Ben's
>>>> improvements, throw in some smaller candy features for users to be
>>>> happy and we have a 1.1 release.These are some of the smallish
>>>> features that I have in mind:
>>>>
>>>> - new screens to see all trackbacks and comments.
>>>>
>>>> - everything searchable in the admin backend, so that we can search
>>>> categories, users or even links (useful when we've got a lot of
> pages
>>>> full of these items)
>>>>
>>>> - possibilty to upload new files through the pop-up window that
>> allows
>>>> to insert resources to posts in the "new post" page.
>>>>
>>>> - integration of the anti-spam filter with trackbacks.
>>>>
>>>> Other big features such as 'friends list', moblogging or
integration
>>>> with other tools such as phpbb, vbulletin or mambo will have to
> wait.
>>>> Basically because of the reasons described above, because I don't
>> feel
>>>> so motivated anymore and because it's time to allow new people to
>> join
>>>> the team and bring new energy. So if anybody wants to take these
>>>> challenges and work on them, be my guest. If not, then we'll have
to
>>>> wait.
>>>>
>>>> Any comments?
>>>>
>>>> Oscar
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