[pLog-general] Your thoughts on 1.1
michael
jackass at bestweb.net
Mon Apr 11 15:53:14 GMT 2005
Yeah, I did turn off the cache a few days ago when I was last testing
things. It back on now.
Good point about broken image links... I need to clean all that up too.
I just noticed my xmlrpc_ping_hosts setting was once again blanked out.
That's another bug I think was discussed....
Thanks for checking it out... I'll talk to my guy at ibiblio and see
what he has to say about the server load.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: plog-general-bounces at devel.plogworld.net
[mailto:plog-general-bounces at devel.plogworld.net] On Behalf Of Jon Daley
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 11:40 AM
To: plog-general at devel.plogworld.net
Subject: RE: [pLog-general] Your thoughts on 1.1
And, I also see your admin script takes a long time to load.
But,
I don't think it is plog's fault.
For the non-admin side, you have caching turned off:
Expires: Thu, 19 Nov 1981 08:52:00 GMT
You also have some broken links, which probably take some time for your
server to figure out that the images don't exist, and write to the
error log file:
http://vloggerblog.org/templates/vloggerblog/img/header_XXX.jpg
Network speed to your machine looks alright, so I suspect the machine is
overloaded.
On Mon, 11 Apr 2005, michael wrote:
> My front-end is still being built so there is not much to test... and
I
> noticed my custom urls are not working for archives and categories...
> but I believe I read there is a patch for that bug... need to fix it
> today.
>
> http://vloggerblog.org/index.php
>
> this site is hosted at ibiblio.org.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: plog-general-bounces at devel.plogworld.net
> [mailto:plog-general-bounces at devel.plogworld.net] On Behalf Of Jon
Daley
> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 11:18 AM
> To: plog-general at devel.plogworld.net
> Subject: RE: [pLog-general] Your thoughts on 1.1
>
> Well, you got me curious, I don't pay attention to the speed of
> admin pages, other than I use them, so if it was particularly slow, I
> thought I would have seen it.
> I think the non-admin side is more important for speed, since
> presumably, that is what gets used more. But, anyway, I clicked
through
>
> the admin page on my 400mhz 1.0.1 system. Here are my times:
>
> 2.5 seconds for login prompt
> 3 seconds after login
> 6 seconds for new post page.
> (the page comes up quicker than that, but it takes 2-3 seconds for
> all of the html area icons to load. I start typing before the
> page is fully loaded, or if I am not entering a new post,
typically,
> I click on a link before the icons have loaded)
>
> 5 seconds to show all posts.
> 2 seconds to show categories
> 2 seconds to show a paticular category.
> 3 seconds to show resource center
> (though I don't use resources, so it is empty)
> 3 seconds to show control center.
> 3 seconds to show "blog settings"
> 1 second to show administration.
> 3 seconds to show "blogs" under admin.
> 4 seconds to show "general settings".
>
>
> I assume this is vastly different from your system? What kind
> of
> machine/how loaded is it?
>
>
> On Mon, 11 Apr 2005, michael wrote:
>
>> Well, it takes 5-10 seconds to load admin pages.
>> And, the lag and large mem usage of plog 1.0 has already been
> discussed
>> so I don't think I have a unique situation.
>>
>> Its mostly admin area. I might try removing some plugins. If a
> plugin
>> is not enabled, does it still use system resources?
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: plog-general-bounces at devel.plogworld.net
>> [mailto:plog-general-bounces at devel.plogworld.net] On Behalf Of Jon
> Daley
>> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 10:33 AM
>> To: plog-general at devel.plogworld.net
>> Subject: RE: [pLog-general] Your thoughts on 1.1
>>
>> Do you have a side by side comparison of the two?
>> This is completely not what I have seen.
>>
>> Compare this server: http://snurgle.org/~jondaley/plog/ (plog 1.0.1
>> trunk,
>> a machine heavily loaded with 20 users actively logged in most of the
>> time, uptime generally reports 3 to 4) running over a 768kbps DSL
> line)
>>
>> to this machine: http://sca.salemsattic.com/ (plog 0.3.2, no idea
> about
>> the machine specs, network connection is much faster than 768kpbs)
>>
>> When I upgraded snurgle, the speed increased. I don't have numbers
to
>> support that, only a feeling. The machine has: 400Mhz intel
> processor,
>> 512MB RAM, 5 apache processes, taking 60MBs currently. With the 218
>> processes and 23 users currently using it, I would think if any
>> machine would be slow running plog, it would be this one.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 11 Apr 2005, michael wrote:
>>> Smarty Caching turned on.
>>> plog 1.0 is slower.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: plog-general-bounces at devel.plogworld.net
>>> [mailto:plog-general-bounces at devel.plogworld.net] On Behalf Of Jon
>> Daley
>>> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 10:23 AM
>>> To: plog-general at devel.plogworld.net
>>> Subject: RE: [pLog-general] Your thoughts on 1.1
>>>
>>> You mean if you have caching turned off it is slower? Certainly
>>>
>>> with caching 1.0 is significantly faster. Every time I look at a
>> 0.3.2
>>> blog I think, hmm.. why is this taking so long.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 11 Apr 2005, michael wrote:
>>>> Hi Oscar,
>>>> Thanks for the update. Sounds good.
>>>>
>>>> I did not want to blame plog for this right away.... but it does
> seem
>>>> that plog 1.0 is much slower. I was checking into other factors
>> since
>>> I
>>>> am on a new server, but I am certain now that the memory usage has
>>>> caused lag.
>>>> So, great to hear about new work being done to improve this.
>>>>
>>>> A quick feature request that may be small enough to be considered
> for
>>>> next release...
>>>>
>>>> - extend custom fields to optionally be added to resource items
(add
>>>> more metadata)
>>>>
>>>> michael
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: plog-general-bounces at devel.plogworld.net
>>>> [mailto:plog-general-bounces at devel.plogworld.net] On Behalf Of
Oscar
>>>> Renalias
>>>> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 6:50 AM
>>>> To: plog-general at devel.plogworld.net
>>>> Subject: [pLog-general] Your thoughts on 1.1
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> just wanted to know your opinion about 1.1.
>>>>
>>>> I was thinking that the development cycle for 1.0 was way too long
>> and
>>>> exhausting and that the amount of changes was too big (the amount
of
>>>> bugs has proven to be proportional to the amount of changes
>>>> introduced) That's probably one of the reasons why we have had so
>> many
>>>> support requests in the forums so my idea is to shorten the
>>>> development cycle, even if that means bothering users with upgrades
>> to
>>>> their installations every 2-3 months.
>>>>
>>>> Ben has already started to work on improving the performance in 1.1
>>>> and the results are more than promising even though work on that
>> front
>>>> will continue. Although I never thought that pLog is slow when
using
>>>> the right setup, any performance improvement is good :-) Believe
me,
>>>> these changes are so promising that they are enough to warrant a
new
>>>> release.
>>>>
>>>> Since users only care about new features, we can take Ben's
>>>> improvements, throw in some smaller candy features for users to be
>>>> happy and we have a 1.1 release.These are some of the smallish
>>>> features that I have in mind:
>>>>
>>>> - new screens to see all trackbacks and comments.
>>>>
>>>> - everything searchable in the admin backend, so that we can search
>>>> categories, users or even links (useful when we've got a lot of
> pages
>>>> full of these items)
>>>>
>>>> - possibilty to upload new files through the pop-up window that
>> allows
>>>> to insert resources to posts in the "new post" page.
>>>>
>>>> - integration of the anti-spam filter with trackbacks.
>>>>
>>>> Other big features such as 'friends list', moblogging or
integration
>>>> with other tools such as phpbb, vbulletin or mambo will have to
> wait.
>>>> Basically because of the reasons described above, because I don't
>> feel
>>>> so motivated anymore and because it's time to allow new people to
>> join
>>>> the team and bring new energy. So if anybody wants to take these
>>>> challenges and work on them, be my guest. If not, then we'll have
to
>>>> wait.
>>>>
>>>> Any comments?
>>>>
>>>> Oscar
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