[pLog-svn] Htaccess update

Thu Mar 1 02:54:52 EST 2007

Hi All, Hi Oscar,

Fully understand what you and Oscar say. But in my language those name are
not suitable for me, so I changed the url's to more local names. This will
cause the software to use the error.php file for finding those url's. This
will ofcourse generate an error.log, but will return the url correctly, as
the error.php will handle them. In the Netherlands we have loads of lifetype
users doing it like this.

What I'm saying is this:
http://wiki.lifetype.net/index.php/Custom_URLs#Why_removing_.2Fblog.2F_from_
the_URLs_is_evil

If you take my solution it's not evil anymore, and will never generate an
error in the apache logs and will always get the correct url. This means the
logs will be "clear" and you can run good statistics over your logfiles.

Guys, there out there a lot of users using these kind of url's. I can give
you a lot of samples from my local country, this is a really simple but
effective solution for having this kind (or all kinds) of url's without
having to deal with all kind of issues that can happen in the htaccess file,
you simply need 3 lines of code in there. Lifetype could even have there own
404 page as you don't need the error.php in the errordocument directive etc.
Subdomains with custom url's are populair, don't forget that.

This solution I found from my work CMS which has this in the htaccess file
to return permalinks on apache. When searching the net I found out that
similar software is also using this kind of solutions. If I search the
forums for htaccess I get around 2% of all the questions having htaccess
file in there, not all will be about this issue but anyway some will be.
Simple hosts will almost always allow this directive and will not all allow
custom 404 pages etc, or other directives.

My 2 cents,
Ayalon

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: plog-svn-bounces at devel.lifetype.net
[mailto:plog-svn-bounces at devel.lifetype.net] Namens Oscar Renalias
Verzonden: woensdag 28 februari 2007 23:37
Aan: plog-svn at devel.lifetype.net
Onderwerp: Re: [pLog-svn] Htaccess update

If you were getting errors, check your Apache error logs and have a  
look at the URLs that were causing those 40x errors. In lifetype.net  
I noticed that repeated requests for favicon.ico were causing those  
errors, you may be having the same problem. And with regards to using  
subdomains and eliminating /blog/ or /blog.php/ from the URL, as Jon  
said it won't cause any problem as long as you keep /post/, / 
archives/, /resource/, etc.

On 1 Mar 2007, at 00:05, Jon Daley wrote:

>  	Please give an example when error.php would be used?  It isn't
> used on any blog that I know about.  There is only one blog that I  
> used aa
> similar sort of rule to yours, although LT wasn't the only thing on  
> that
> site, so my rule was more complicated.  But, for "normal"  
> installations,
> those rules aren't needed - nor is error.php.  That is only for  
> errors.
>
> On Wed, 28 Feb 2007, Ayalon wrote:
>> SO you think for performance reasons it's better to let it be  
>> handled with
>> the error.php instead of a rewrite rule?
>>
>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>> Van: plog-svn-bounces at devel.lifetype.net
>> [mailto:plog-svn-bounces at devel.lifetype.net] Namens Jon Daley
>> Verzonden: woensdag 28 februari 2007 21:52
>> Aan: plog-svn at devel.lifetype.net
>> Onderwerp: Re: [pLog-svn] Htaccess update
>>
>> 	The only reason one would need the sort of thing you are talking
>> about is to have urls that don't have /post, /archive, /category,  
>> etc in
>> them.  For example, http://jon.limedaley.com uses the default  
>> rules.  And
>> the /plog is there because lifetype is installed in the /plog  
>> directory,
>> as opposed to the rest of my site.
>> 	You don't need /blog.php or /blog in your URLs, with or without
>> your htaccess rules.
>> 	The current "complicated" htaccess rules are only for modrewrite
>> URLs.  I guess you could get rid of the ForceType/SetHandler lines  
>> at the
>> expense of using your rewrite rule for every access.  How much  
>> time do
>> your two rewrite rules take?  I assume it is a small, and fairly
>> unnoticeable delay, but it does add a check to see if the file  
>> exists for
>> every HTTP request, and so at least for large sites, might not be  
>> ideal.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 28 Feb 2007, ayalon at blog.nl wrote:
>>> Well it's search engine friendly, but there are called custom  
>>> url's that's
>>> right.
>>>
>>> Anyway lifetype will need the error php in the errorducoment for  
>>> this to
>> work
>>> correctly if you don't want /blog.php or /blog in your url. And  
>>> this will
>>> create error logs (look at the wiki pages).
>>>
>>> With my solution this is not happening anymore. And as far as i  
>>> can see
>>> a lot of
>>> lifetype admins are using this.
>>>
>>> Citeren Oscar Renalias <oscar at renalias.net>:
>>>
>>>> If you were getting errors in your log files it's beacause you had
>>>> something wrong in the first place. When using subdomains or custom
>>>> URLs, you should not be getting any 40x errors at all and if you  
>>>> did,
>>>> you should have removed the ErrorDocument parameters from
>>>> your .htaccess and then see what was failing. Otherwise  
>>>> error.php is
>>>> only needed for the so-called "search engine friendly" URLs.
>>>>
>>>> On 28 Feb 2007, at 17:43, Ayalon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>> As also posted on the forums:
>>>>> http://forums.lifetype.net/viewtopic.php?p=33349
>>>>>
>>>>> To keep errors out of the logfiles and to handle all the requested
>>>>> by the
>>>>> server not by having errors in the logfiles when using  
>>>>> subdomains and
>>>>> friendly url's
>>>>>
>>>>> The only thing I have in my .htaccess is the following:
>>>>>
>>>>> RewriteEngine On
>>>>> RewriteBase /
>>>>>
>>>>> RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-f
>>>>> RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-d
>>>>> RewriteRule . /blog.php
>>>>>
>>>>> This will do the job for almost everything, except the pager. This
>>>>> is not
>>>>> working via this solution, probably because it's not handled the
>>>>> same way as
>>>>> the posts and the categories are.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anybody has an idea on this? If this works fine, we don't even  
>>>>> need
>>>>> the huge
>>>>> htaccess file anymore within lifetype and it will handle  
>>>>> everything
>>>>> a lot
>>>>> faster inside the environment as it doesn't have to pass the  
>>>>> error.php
>>>>> before finding the good file.
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you guys think?
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Ayalon
>>>>>
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